Column O'Bryant: A lesson in combating invasive government
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Ronald found a clever way to protect McDonald’s from the tyrannical urges of the well meaning but misguided San Francisco Board of Supervisors’ so-called Healthy Food Incentive Ordinance. The clown’s answer to banning children’s meal toy giveaways? Sidestep the law completely and sell the toy for the insignificant sum of ten cents as opposed to merely giving it away with the meal. While this may simply seem like smart business, with the added pleasure of thumbing your nose at hyperactive government busybodies to make them froth with impotent rage, it also offers a sterling example to all Americans.

Our country is rapidly approaching, if indeed it has not already reached, a crossroads. As Jim Geraghty in National Review recently reported, American workers are going off the books, “developing a sizable and significant ‘off-the-books’ economy.” This isn’t a new phenomenon, but like the example McDonald’s set, it shows that the more government tightens its grip around the throats of the people the more the people will seek any and all means to circumvent the unwelcome intrusion into their lives. This is good. This is American. This is the reality of human nature clearly apparent to even casual observers.

America’s unparalleled economic success and all the benefits that go along with it have, over the course of many decades, contributed to the development of what in other periods of history would have been impossible: a government too large, too powerful, and too pervasive, yet one with a significant segment of the population’s willing support. Once trapped in the cycle, who would speak out against class warriors anxious to steal from one American in order to, in effect, buy the vote of another? The fact of the matter is that government has entwined itself into virtually every part of the people’s lives. And like 19th Century American slave holders who attempted to describe slavery as a positive good, the pro big government forces are trying to sell tyranny under a similar “positive good” lie.

The cumulative effect, as the more control government has over you, the more it wants, can be personified in politicians like Obama. In his recent speech in Kansas, our misguided president again attacked capitalism, tax-cuts, and limited government and perhaps made his die-hard belief in socialism clearer than ever before. “It’s a simple theory — one that speaks to our rugged individualism and healthy skepticism of too much government. It fits well on a bumper sticker. Here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It’s never worked. It didn’t work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It’s not what led to the incredible post-war boom of the 50s and 60s. And it didn’t work when we tried it during the last decade.”

This is, of course, utter fiction. But being so used to the majority of Americans laying down like lambs, the president feels perfectly comfortable spreading this sort of misinformation around. What Obama seems to want is not only to perpetuate but to expand the system of human leeches that feed off of the system until it completely collapses under its own weight. Every economic problem we now have is a direct result of irresponsibility; the irresponsible individuals who are willing to sell their liberty for the security other people’s hard-earned money provides to them and the irresponsibility of our national leaders — in both parties — who keep themselves in power by preventing the natural consequences of people’s irresponsibility from catching up with them. From the individual to large corporations, government handouts destroy accountability and initiative and are snowballing out of control. It is easy to fault Obama, who certainly hasn’t helped matters, but the problem is much deeper than one president.

San Francisco’s ban on fast-food toys may seem like a very small matter. Yet it is another step down a long road towards even more control over people’s lives. Start with children and once you have them it isn’t so hard to convince the right people in power that adults, who were too stupid to make the right dietary decisions for their children, must now themselves be too stupid to make their own choices.

We can understand the logic of getting children to eat healthier. San Francisco Supervisor Eric Mar, who introduced the ban, has a young daughter himself and he obviously only wants the best for her. He argues that the “pester power” of children is enough to force parents to purchase a Happy Meal. Therein lies the root of the problem; Mar’s problem, that is, and all like him. Parents, and people in general, need to meet their responsibilities and not try to either lay their failures at the feet of others or abdicate their personal responsibility to collective government control.

Mar’s logic appears to be that people are incapable of acting as responsible parents and that they simply cannot say “no” to those who they are in authority over and should, supposedly, be vastly more intellectually sophisticated. Then again, I’ve met six-year olds with a greater grasp of property rights than many of our politicians have. Nevertheless, “no” means “no” and it isn’t a hard concept though it might take numerous lessons for a child to finally learn. Man up, as the expression goes, and just say no to your children. When they grow up, they will not only respect you but be grateful to you as well. Easy? Of course not. But necessary? Absolutely. Otherwise you get “leaders” like Mar who think their whims should be imposed on your life.

How many hours were wasted by McDonald’s and similar restaurants that give away toys with kids’ meals in either preparing to lay down for the ordinance or in combating it? How much money was lost by these companies due to Mar’s whim? When a company has to change the way they do something, even as seemingly simple as serving a Happy Meal, it costs money. Reprogramming counter registers, informing employees of the change, notifying customers and countless other details not only impact a single location but also have to be multiplied over an entire city’s chain of fast food restaurants. Even making the decision to refuse to humor Mar and instead circumvent his plan still cost McDonald’s as they surely had to consult lawyers, spend countless man hours in meetings discussing the ordinance and its possible impact, and then actually implementing their decision to fight.

As a conservative, it obviously cheers my soul to see McDonald’s stand up to the nanny mentality that pervades so much of our society today. It calls to mind the example of Rosa Parks, who showed real courage in defying a law she knew to be wrong. Or Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who after abolition fought tirelessly for women’s rights. Washington, Gandhi and others also come to mind. Men and women who stood up in the face of injustice, of the powerful, of entire governments to work, and in some cases fight, for not just the empty slogan of “change” but concrete concepts such as liberty and equal rights.

And while it is tongue-in-cheek to add Ronald McDonald to so prestigious a list, there is a lot to be learned from any person, business, or organization who says enough is enough and takes decisive action to circumvent, defy, or merely ignore the demands of invasive government meddling in our private affairs. We cannot lay down forever. At some point government at all levels will have to be taken to task and shown that the liberties of Americans, purchased and maintained at so great a price, are not to be trifled with.

Jeff O’Bryant is the author of “Up into the Hills – A Brief History of Catoosa County” and holds two degrees: a bachelor’s in education and a bachelor’s with honors in history. He can be contacted at jeffobryant@catt.com.
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savvy101
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December 24, 2011
I'm not going to argue with you. Have a nice day and a merry Christmas.
TomSawyer
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December 24, 2011
Merry Christmas to you, and may your new year be filled with truth and good health for you and your family.
TomSawyer
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December 24, 2011
savvy101 -

First, I do not support abortion "rights" No right is afforded us that takes the life of another.

Second - I do not support the death penalty, when is the last time you saw someone "legally" murdered that could afford good attorneys? The death penalty is used to murder the poor, simple as that.

Third - I'm accustomed to hearing arguments like yours from toddlers and elementary students..."Well so and so is allowed to....."

Think about it, you are pro killing adults while against killing children.

In America you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. But you are not in favor of that. Not in favor of the American Constitution that so many have died defending.

You are unwilling to accept that two wrongs never make it right.

You have lost the right to speak out against anyone that ignores the constitution. Even if that person took an oath to defend the constitution, as all our presidents have, you support lying with their hand on the bible just as Bush SR, Clinton, Bush JR and now Obama have, as well as many more of our presidents have.

You choose to be, "a little bit American" while I choose to be fully an American citizen. I do not support state or federal sponsored murder of any kind.

Do you realize how easy it would be to plant a little evidence on you to make you appear a home grown terrorist? Do you realize even with video making it appear you were rounding up people, guns and ammo and heading for Washington to kill any or all of our elected officials I would see you as innocent and support your right to a fair trial?

You seem to be under the misguided impression that everyone charged with a crime is actually guilty. You seem to also be under the misguided impression that God's job is your job.

Romans 12:18 and 19

18If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Being an American and being a Christian go hand in hand as the rights afforded us by the constitution go hand in hand with the rights afforded us by God. What you have said here is like Clinton, both Bush's and Obama, the constitution is only valid when it so pleases you.

You do understand that's how abortion became legal in the first place? The courts decided children do not have the constitutional right to the pursuit of happiness, life and liberty. You decided American's you don't agree with don't have those rights. How does that make you any better than the courts that took childrens rights away from them?

Seriously, I'm not attacking you. I was a liberal in the 70's and later became a conservative. I voted for Jimmy Carter and George Bush JR. I have spent my life growing and learning. The bible tells us in John 8:32, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

After 50 years I finally saw the truth. Yes it set me free, but it also turned my stomach. If you look beyond the surface you will see the deception with our politicians on both sides. You will never be able to stand up to them and save this country and your rights until you are willing to give all Americans their rights. If you are unwilling, I certainly hope you and your family can be happy and safe in a FEMA camp, but I don't think you can.

mattconrad
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December 24, 2011
I can appreciate where you are coming from. Abortion is a ghastly horror and frankly so long as it exists there really is nothing else anybody should be focusing their fighting energy on until it ends. Everything else, from executing terrorists without trial to the happy meal toy issue, somehow just doesn't seem important at all when weighed against the "mass grave" of 50 million dead.
savvy101
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December 24, 2011
Not for monsters, no. But what's a little death, anyway? We have killed over 50 million babies since 1973. You weep for our liberties and the death of these two monsters when the culture of death created by Roe V Wade makes your position difficult to defend... See, when you let the fox into the hen house it becomes so very easy for others to declare that any other group they do not like (in my case murdering terrorists) should have no rights at all, either. Besides that, the Constitution has been twisted to the point of being unrecognizable. This is sad, as the real issues that actually do harm so many Americans get swept under the rug.

You don't have to agree with me, either- what I'm asking you to do is also dig a little deeper and realize that sometimes, in extraordinary circumstances, when evidence such as articles and youtube videos explaining how to make bombs exists and when you are a self-described terrorists are are outside the reach of the American Justice system, that court isn't needed. I can view things on a situation by situation basis and realize that the world is a better place without Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. Countless lives are now no longer threatened by their evil.

TomSawyer
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December 23, 2011
savvy101 -

So you do not support the constitution of the United States of America, simple as that.

You just gave your permission to this president and all future presidents to murder you and your family =(

Being an American citizen carries with it certain responsibilities. One is that here we allow every citizen their day in court. We do not get to pick and choose which rights we will acknowledge and which ones we will ignore.

Are you aware this president has declared the Tea Party as well as Occupy protestors as potential terrorists?

How about the fact that the government sees you as a terrorist if you have over 7 days food supply stored in your home?

Do you own gold or silver? Missing a finger or have any burn marks? What about a gun, ammo, or a Ron Paul sticker in your car window? Do you believe in ANY conspiracy theories, like maybe you don't believe the official record about JFK's death? Maybe you believe we knew there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Anyone of these things and many more can get you on a government list as a terrorist. Does that give any president the right to have you killed instead of arrested and given your day in court?

How does the constitution as written sound to you now? I'm telling you, if we don't start valuing human life and quit being divided by this democrat/republican BS and come together as American citizens...remember as American citizens the president, our congressmen and senators, etc. all work for us, not us for them...the America you grew up in will be gone.

I'm not trying to tell you that you have to agree with me, I'm simply asking that you dig a little deeper, think about your answer. You have just supported your mob boss president putting out hits on your fellow citizens. Horrible citizens, no doubt, but citizens none the less.

If you support President Obama on this you need to think about Germany, 1946...Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Frankly, if I'm not on the no fly list and more, I'm disappointed. I constantly send emails to my representatives telling them how I want them to vote. I remind them they work for me, I'm their boss! I gave them their title and I can take it away. But only if people start paying attention to what is going on and stand up for whats right, not whats easy.
TomSawyer
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December 23, 2011
classicliberal2 -

I just know you aren't saying. Bush did it first, so its ok for Obama to do it? First, name one person Bush had assassinated? I'm not saying he didn't, just saying he didn't have the audacity that President Obama does and President Clinton had. Remember Ruby Ridge and Waco? By the way, its out now, Eric Holder gave the explosives to Tim McVeigh and his buddy.

The point I was trying to make with you is more about winning people over by treating them like they have value instead of an ignorant enemy that makes your blood boil. I ask you, what does it matter when people awaken. What is really important is that they do wake up!

savvy101
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December 23, 2011
I'm sorry- I should have been more clear. Terrorists and those who support terrorists aren't murdered... they are exterminated like the vermin they are. But thanks for the info- if Obama approved their deaths then I've been proven wrong. He actually has done something right. I refer you to their own writings for all the evidence anyone needs for proof of their mental sickness.
savvy101
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December 23, 2011
I could care less too, if there is a toy in the meal or not. What I do care about is when some government busybody thinks they have the right to force a business to stop doing something that in moderation isn't at all harmful. Sure, if they were trying to market cigarettes, drugs, liberal "ideas" or some other obviously harmful and/or addictive thing to children then by all means, government, through the consent of the governed, has the right to regulate. But not otherwise.

And if you can name people Obama has had killed then by all means present the evidence so we can remove him from office. Otherwise, you just sound very, very out there. Obama is a socialist, he's an embarrassment, and he's clueless. But a murderer? Come on....
TomSawyer
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December 23, 2011
savvy-

You really need to read more. I know that sounds insulting, but I don't mean it that way. Its been in USA Today, the NYTimes, etc. These murders have caused all kinds of controversy. Many have cheered the president because there is no doubt they were terrorists. Fact remains they were American citizens, born and raised here. That gives them the right to a fair trial.

If we allow their rights to be trashed, our rights are next. My gosh, we give mass murderers the right to a fair trial!

Ok, just two of Obama's murders....

U.S.-born Anwar al-Awlaki killed in Yemen

U.S.-born cleric Samir Khan

I challange you to do your own research.

Either the constitution is for us all, or its a worthless piece of paper. Do you remember the 1947 poem "First They Came" by Pastor Martin Niemoller

First they came for the communists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left to speak out for me

classicliberal2
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December 23, 2011
The Bush administration asserted it had the power to extrajudicially execute people--to murder them--and the Obama has, indeed, fully endorsed that view, defended it in court, and yes, he has had people murdered. I've written about this myself. There's nothing nutty in that; the fact that you haven't heard anything about it and regard it as, on its face, nutty is a perfect example of the phenomenon I was describing earlier. We're losing America, and no one cares--no one has their eye on the ball.

On the other hand, the notion that the Obama--whose administration would, only a few years ago, have been uncontroversially regarded by everyone as conservative Republican--is some sort of "socialist" is the wost sort of fringe nuttism, no different than the idea that he's a secret Muslim or not born in the United States.
classicliberal2
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December 23, 2011
(But alongside the "socialist" charge, you also called the Obama clueless and an embarrassment, and as ludicrous as that "socialist" charge is, I suppose two out of three ain't bad.)
TomSawyer
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December 22, 2011
classicliberal2 -

Do you really believe you can win people over with attacks?

Do you really believe our current president is a liberal?

Do you really believe there is an ounce of difference in Democrats and Republicans?

I could sit here and list American citizens that Obama has personally had assassinated, Americans he has jailed without their right to a trial...would that mean I was doing that in support of republicans? No!

I share your beliefs about our disappearing civil liberties, where we part ways is believing that only one party is taking our rights away and the other party will save us.

I keep reading that many D's want Obama out and Hillary in. (shaking head) She is a bigger socialist than even Obama is, she said so during the last primaries. So is Newt, Perry, and Bachman...the same as McCain. The elite load both sides while dividing us. That way it doesn't matter who wins, the same powers stay in control.

You however seem hell bent on attacking Bush...with good reason. However, you will not truly be liberated until you can accept Clinton did the same as Obama, he personally had American citizens assassinated and signed away many of our civil liberties too.

Quit researching Bush and attacking people that don't agree with you as stupid. Research all modern presidents from 1900 forward and I believe you will see each had a hand in getting us where we are today.

Same for the republicans, quit researching Obama, none of you will truely be liberated until you are armed with the truth.

The truth is neither party gives a care about, we the people. I don't care if you are a D or an R, you are simply pawns in their game. Turn your backs on these parties and lets all stand together and fight for our rights. We have more in common than the establishment wants us to know.

United we stand, divided we fall. Its not just words.

BTW Lib...remember back to the last elections. Remember Pelosi and the democrats coming before the American people and placing a halo on Obamas head for stepping in and saving the "Bush" bailout. Before the elections they have the credit to Obama, after the elections they gave the blame to Bush.

Neither side is our friend. If you really care as much as you claim about our civil liberties, you will come together with your fellow Americans to save America, not keep attacking and telling us how only one party can save us.

As far as McDonalds is concerned, I could care less if there is a toy in that meal or not, fries or not, coke or not. I don't care how healthy or unhealthy a parent chooses to feed "their" child...so long as the do feed them!
rearden1
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December 22, 2011
No, I assure you, you really do not understand. Liberals "think" (I know, it is a charitable description, isn't it) they somehow support civil liberties when they in reality succeed only in helping to loose monsters back into society after they've been caught. I don't understand this mental failure of theirs and I never will. I am referring to, of course, those already proven guilty but who manage to evade justice because some idiot leftist judge finds some excuse to feel sorry for them while somehow managing to ignore any future victims they may rape, kill, or rob. There are plenty of examples to find if you're not too busy obsessing over finding ways to coddle terrorists or arguing that "my pet threat to liberty is bigger than yours."
jeffobryant
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December 22, 2011
And in attacking others who also point out unaccountable government actions you're somehow furthering your goal?
classicliberal2
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December 22, 2011
The question itself falsely suggests there is any equivalence between what happened in San Francisco--which isn't an example of "unaccountable government," but of entirely misguided government--and the kind of outright predatory attacks on civil liberties I've been discussing. Conflating the two, and making such a big production of the former trivializes the latter to such an extent that it undermines the entire underlying point, and it's a point that needs stressed, not undermined.

And, to borrow the cliche, it's impossible to stress that last part enough. While you pontificate about this ridiculous McDonald's situation, look at some of the things that go on:

http://lefthooktheblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/war-on-terror-tm-justice-justice-and.html

This was a major scandal in Canada, but in the U.S., no one even cares enough that things like this go on to report it. It isn't a scandal. It isn't even a story. I am, by nature, extremely counter-alarmist, but even I can't see as unreasonable those who see the end of America in things like that.
mattconrad
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December 21, 2011
You really don't seem to be grasping the fact that the real danger to our liberties comes from the slow erosion of our freedoms from a variety of threats, not just prison without trial. No one disputes that this isn't good. You not only have seemed to miss that fact but, worse, you belittle as amusing OTHER valid concerns. Your obstinacy isn't amusing, it is arrogant.
rearden1
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December 21, 2011
You completely misunderstood.
classicliberal2
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December 21, 2011
I understood you perfectly well. I suspect it was you who didn't understand you so well.
jeffobryant
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December 21, 2011
Again, I ask, other than attacking every column I write and writing on your blog, what else are you doing about it or what can you suggest other do to help combat it?

mattconrad
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December 20, 2011
Classicliberal2 just comes here to try and get free advertisement for his blog. Our real problem is the economy right now. Sure, I don't want the innocent going to prison. But in the big picture this just isn't a major concern. San Francisco, however, lies at the very root of the problem and serves as an example, in microcosm, of the problem the whole country faces- destructive government interference in the economy and a nanny mentality that stifles human freedom on a grand scale, not just taking the freedom away from a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the population who are very likely guilty anyway. I confess, steps should be taken to make sure they are guilty. In that, classicliberal2 is right and so I do not think his concern is without merit. But the big problem we face is government interference in the economy- from both the left and right - and not the, to me, blown somewhat out of proportion fears of a police state with our doors being kicked in at night. Anyone is free to disagree but by belittling others concerns about the county as embarrassing or resorting to grade-school name-calling just makes one look like, well, an unlettered imbecile.

Come to the table with "yes, that is bad, and you know what I'm concerned with, too?" And getting past the Bush bashing would help. When you start on that conservatives automatically start tuning you out. Even Obama finally picked up on that... or have you perhaps heard him mention the Bush administration recently being the reason he's such a failure? O'Bryant even agreed that your concern is valid yet you still come back saying his concerns are over the embarrassing or trivial. Try reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People" if you want to be taken seriously. But I don't think that's it. I just think you want to attack and, again, get free advertising. Nobody else posts their website or their "battle cry." By the way, isn't that a phrase used in boxing? That's violent. Are you not contributing to violent rhetoric by saying that? I mean, there is a post on your blog blaming violent rhetoric on conservatives so I just figured you would be above that sort of thing yourself...
rearden1
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December 20, 2011
It makes lib boy feel better to attack you. By attempting to make your concerns seem unimportant (ask somebody who lost their job thanks to all the liberal lunacy run wild in San Francisco and I bet they would disagree with lib boy) he seeks to make himself sound knowledgeable by the "volumes" he as written or attacking others as an "unlettered imbecile." He ignores pointed questions (like does he not understand comparing Ronald McDonald to the heroes mentioned is simply tongue in cheek) and he seeks to turn the argument to his current pet issue (which allows him to ignore the colossal failure Obama is on every single level) while still being able to hurl stones at the current president but only with the former one standing in front of him.

Besides, after doing some research online I honestly can find NO evidence of ANY Americans being held at Gitmo or anywhere else without trial except for three. John Walker Lindh was quickly recognized as an American Citizen and eventually got transferred to the court system. Yasser Hamdi was born here but was raised in Saudi Arabia. He was handed over to Saudi Arabia. Only Jose Padilla was held without charge for a significant period of time but he too eventually got his day in court. What do these three have in common? They were all guilty, and only one was lucky enough to get away.

I guess my point is that I'm not really worried about the Civil Liberties of monsters. I am only concerned with the liberties of those who are truly innocent. As courts make errors, too, and that the guilty can walk and the innocent can suffer, I'm willing to just say it isn't a perfect world and if you're not building dirty bombs in your NY apartment then the chances are EXTREMELY low that lib boy's little issue here will impact you in any way whatsoever.

But O'Bryant's issue, the ever spreading disease of liberalism that is invading its way into every aspect of our lives, now that's a real threat that impacts everybody. Jeb Bush wrote wonderful piece on that yesterday, about how their schemes destroy our right to rise.

You can keep harping on something that doesn't really amount to a hill of beans to the innocent or you can fight the job-killing, morally bankrupt, racially dividing, reality denying philosophy of modern liberalism. And, really, that's part of the big problem with even your little issue. If we had strong conservative courts none of us would mind so much a terrorist getting a trial here. But with so many liberal judges you just cannot count of justice being served. Liberals excuse the guilty and want to punish the victim by allowing the monsters to roam free again. This goes for rapist, murderers, armed robbers... The whole liberal experiment has produced a system soft on crime, hostile to the perfectly legitimate punishment of death for certain acts, and so forgiving that decent people die because so many of the criminals are set free with little or no punishment. But put a nativity on a courthouse lawn and then liberals pull out all the stops to fight that; criminalizing a totally innocent action.

You want to fight something worth fighting against classicliberal2? Then fight the disease of modern liberalism.
classicliberal2
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December 21, 2011
"I guess my point is that I'm not really worried about the Civil Liberties of monsters. I am only concerned with the liberties of those who are truly innocent."

Then, to point out the screamingly obvious, you have no concern for civil liberties at all. Everyone thinks those with whom they agree should have freedom of speech, but the measure of one's concern for freedom is in how strongly one defends the rights of those with whom one most strongly disagrees. Someone accused of a crime by the state is, legally speaking, no more guilty of the crime than you are. The state has to go into court and prove them guilty of it. That's how the system works. That's America.

If, on the other hand, anything can rightfully be said to bear the label "anti-American," your own presume-guilt-up-front approach is certainly it. The entire paper Constitution of the United States can be reasonably interpreted as an effort to prevent the very thing you casually endorse, here. This power you insist "doesn't really amount to a hill of beans to the innocent" has no oversight--it can be used against anyone at any time for any reason, and, as history tells us, it will be.

I won't deny it's entertaining to watch uber-conservatives like yourself, who make such a show of running down government when talking about the small-d democratic aspects of it, display such absolute faith in the judgment of your governors when it comes to stripping from people every right they have, but your galactic-level hypocrisy, ignorance, and blindness doesn't amount to an argument any thinking human being either must or would take seriously.

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http://lefthooktheblog.blogspot.com/
jeffobryant
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December 20, 2011
I'm glad you see the danger government has become. Other than attacking every column I write and writing on your blog, what else are you doing about it or what can you suggest other do to help combat it?
classicliberal2
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December 21, 2011
This isn't a danger government "has become." Unaccountable government has ALWAYS been a danger--it is, in fact, an abuse, in and of itself. I'm a writer. I do what I can to alert people to it, and to agitate against it.
jeffobryant
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December 18, 2011
Actually, classicliberal2 is right for a change (of course, he does have to mention the Bush administration... it cannot be any other way, it seems). What he doesn't realize is that my column was turned in before this passed in the House. After a deadline is passed, one cannot write a whole new column and replace it for the original. And yes, while I would rather be denied choice at a fast food chain rather than be tossed into prison without trial, I see no reason why the concept of freedom cannot be defended where ever or by what ever method it is threatened.

But, again, it is a valid concern. We need trials and Americans should not be thrown into Gitmo without one. Obviously, I tend to trust our military and, to a lesser extent, domestic law enforcement, but anybody can make a mistake. That's why we have trials, so people can give their side and present evidence.

So thank you, classicliberal2, for sharing with us yet another example of why government cannot be trusted. I'm sorry you feel my own example is irrelevant.

classicliberal2
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December 20, 2011
Your own example is of a locality doing something stupid that, by your own accounting, turned out to be totally ineffectual. It was a very, very bad example.

The asserted kidnapping powers about which I raved aren't just a violation of someone's civil liberties. They're a nullification of ALL civil liberties, and they're only part of a much bigger picture. The Bush administration established the framework for a dictatorship of monstrous proportions, and one of my major concerns, for the last three years, has been railing against this being allowed to pass into precedent. If we allow that, it WILL come back to bite us and future generations. One of the absolute worst aspects of the awful Obama administration has been that they have, in almost every instance, done exactly what I feared; they've accepted, defended, and even adopted as their own the Bush precedents. They even accepted the Bush notion that the U.S. military can freely MURDER U.S. citizens, if said citizens are determined to be connected to terrorism, and that determination is made by an unelected bureaucrat, and subject to no review by anyone.

The passive acceptance of this sort of thing by America--particularly American conservatives, who enthusiastically enabled it in the first place--is like some awful glimmer of the END of America. Everyone wants to talk about something else, no one seems to care about the implications of it all, but everyone certainly makes it a point to whine if their "team" gets smeared with it. When both you and the unlettered imbecile below reflexively present, as some sort of mark against me, that I point out Bush's authorship of the policy about which I was writing is like watching Trots, in the old days, take offense at anarchists who point out Kronstadt.

It's not just the case that your column above is an example of extremely unlucky timing. That may be true with regard to the specific kidnapping rider just passed by congress, but the problem that rider represents is a longstanding and very serious one (I've probably written enough about it to fill entire volumes), and the situation with a locality giving McDonald's trouble is, in the context of this, trivial to the point of being embarrassing, but even outside of this context, it's still the dictionary definition of "trivial." The loss of freedom, the implications of these actions by the government, and our increasing acceptance of it is a serious matter, and demands much more serious attention.
rearden1
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December 18, 2011
Bush, Bush, Bush.... rant, rant, rant. He's been gone three years now and I suppose I have to be the one to be unkind and say this: Do you realize how blind you are to the massive threat to our liberties Obama is? Your little blog is full of lies, misstatements, and rants about Bush and conservatives (who sadly once they get to Washington seem to forget a lot of what they are supposed to stand for, but the are still, at least, somewhat of an improvement over Democrats who have NO restraint whatsoever in their desire to steal our freedoms and our money)... and you have to come here and advertise it to try and drag others down to your personal little nightmare? Further, it is never clownish to point out threats to the liberty of the people, no matter how small, because some other politician in some other city will surely think further clamping down on individual liberty is a good idea. To belittle ANYONE who points out such a threat reveals your true intent, one ate up with the hatred that Liberalism poisons the heart with. I bet you can't even admit that what San Francisco did was wrong? Can you admit that? Can you say food choices should be up to people themselves? Or do you really believe a government can force restaurants to do or not do certain things. And I'm not talking about being clean or the like. I'm talking about a specific menu item that is proven over the course of decades to have no harmful effects if consumed in reasonable quantities. But no, I know you can't. Because I've never met a Liberal who didn't like more government regulation and less freedom for the people.

And you're just being willfully misleading, too- because clearly you just can't comprehend what you read if thought the piece somehow claims a fictional character belongs with, and let me correct you from the words "liberal icons" (which somehow implies that the degenerate modern form of liberalism can somehow appropriately be to tied to such historical heroes as is mentioned in the article) Ronald McDonald. Or do you fail to understand what the words tongue in cheek mean?

Do YOU ever even listen to yourself? Or for that matter even think?
classicliberal2
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December 18, 2011
Ronald McDonald is a clown, and I suppose I have to be the one to be unkind and say this: Do you realize how clownish YOU look to come here and rave about how the impotent actions of some stupid local Board of Supervisors at the other end of the country exemplifies government overreach? And, in particular, to do so literally only days after the Congress of the United States codified, into U.S. law, the kidnapping powers asserted by the Bush administration? At the insistence of the present administration? And this is your SECOND rant, here, about this McDonald's situation. And now, you've decided McDonald's selling a goddamn toy, instead of giving it away, earns Ronald McDonald a slot among some of the greatest liberal icons of the past, who devoted their lives (and often gave them, as well) to make the world a better place.

Do you ever even listen to yourself?

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